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I cut her a lot of slack, but still. I admit it, I burst out laughing at Maddy's dream when she imagined Renetta shoving her off the cliff with Avenue Q puppets! It looked like the muppets were staging an attack! Of course I will probably be totally wrong, but it would seem like a bit of a cop-out at this point if they introduced a new or minor character as a major actor in either of the mysteries in the show.

All I could think was what is going to happen to Ziggy after she gets herself killed by being a dumbass. Or he gets taken away because a gun toting, pot smoking nutcase is seen as an unfit mother. Poor Ziggy. I just want to hug that poor child. He knows something is wrong with his mother, he knows she is keeping secrets from him and I think he knows it has to do with his father. I wonder who he really thinks his father is. I guarantee he knows his father is a bad man but he's too young, I think, to know about rape, I hope, but I wonder just what he thinks his dad did to make Jane the way she is about him.

I feel bad for Ed. I do feel like he loves Maddie way more than she loves him, or, not loves, he desires her more than she desires him. That attempted sex scene was so painfully awkward. Not that she's still in love with him or wants him back, but that she hasn't gotten over being hurt by him. Maybe she is afraid Ed is going to hurt her too so she kind of keeps him at arms length.

IDK, I'm not Dr. Calamity Jane. At the moment Bonnie and Nathan seem to have the best marriage. And the Wire's ratings were pretty low for all those seasons and HBO didn't care. I don't know exactly what formula they are running that network on but 9 times out of 10 it works for this viewer. I read that the ratings on this show weren't what they wanted, but that doesn't mean the show is going anywhere.

I like it, a lot. Speaking of dad's behavior, was it just me, or did Perry not bite Celeste between her upper breast neck area when they were sexing it up on the kitchen counter? Did I not see that? I know I saw his teeth take a nip, I know it and it ties in with Amabella getting bit, it's all tied up in there and in the overall title of this episode. I think that's possibly a real explanation of why she is able to live in that neighborhood and do nothing but run and drink coffee all day.

Seriously, though, she comes across as trust-finder or parents-give-allowance, rather than struggling single mom. Most of the psychiatrists and clinical psychologists and clinical social workers that I have worked with all take something because they tend to be affiliated with a hospital especially the psychiatrist and they take whatever the hospital takes because of their privileges.

The therapist will know how to do that, especially if it is cash. They need those services as well. One thing about this place, was tight security. You had to be buzzed in and would have to present yourself in a bullet proof hallway. This was necessary, otherwise, no one would come there, They needed to feel safe.

Like we have heard, a high percentage of women are murdered when they try to leave the abuser. The organization I trained at, would help women and men with counseling, but also making an escape plan and how to implement it. It is complicated to get out and needs a coordinated effort on many fronts we also had safe houses to put up a person and children while they hid from the abuser.

Isn't it a little too obvious for Perry to be the rapist? That's no surprise. No HBO finale twist. So this is the tricky part about this mystery.

Heck, it's the tricky part about any "who done it? The pro of it being Perry including showing us that his violent temper aligns with Jane's experience with her rapist. Therefore, the show has built a solid foundation to make this reveal believable. The con is that because it is supported by his behavior, many of us have guessed it and it won't feel like a surprise. Also, it'd be a coincidence. The pro of it being another one of the husband is that it'd be a shocking twist sure to make our jaws drop.

The con would be that the show hasn't really hinted that any of these guys share that same undercurrent of violence. It'd be a twist that might feel cheap because of that. And it'd still be a huge coincidence. The pro of it being none of these guys is that it'd feel more realistic that Jane's rapist isn't affiliated with any of the other women.

The con is that there isn't some big reveal associated with it. Even if we've guessed it with Perry and he's not a surprise, there would still be some emotional fallout to be mined from Celeste, Madeline But as for the profile, a lot of these flashes have been flashbacks mixed with fantasies. And didn't she have this "flashback" after she had seen the picture in the computer? That's why I think it was telling when she sniffed this guy. She knows she's not sure what he looks like but she realized she vividly remembers his smell. In fact, in this episode, we also had Chloe coming in on Madeline and Ed and their attempt at kitchen sex.

They pretended like nothing was going on but as Chloe left, she told them to get back to whatever they were pretending they weren't doing. I wonder if this is the case too. It might also explain why she doesn't know who is doing it.

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Maybe she can't tell the twins apart. Or they're both doing it and she's afraid of being ganged up on. I understand your frustration but it doesn't bother me so much since I do feel like I see this on tv pretty regularly. At least here they bothered picking an actor who roughly resembles the real perp, if it's Perry.

They don't always. But who knows. But I think it'd would've worked better as a movie if there are not going to be twists. Seven hours is a long commitment for a little character study of three moms. I'm guessing you could read the book twice in that time. Actually, five eps in out of 7? His identity was presented as unclear because Jane was unclear who he was. I found the many flashbacks quite distracting this episode for some reason. The one where Reese went down the cliff to look for who-knows-what and she turned around and there were clown puppets, I think I screamed and woke the dog.

The volume of the music in this show needs to be dialed back. Like others, I am getting sick of all the running. I've never seen Shailene in anything Can't tell if it's the character or her. She seems to speak in both an Australian and American accent, so I'm not sure what the coach is suggesting. I get what you're saying, but Ed didn't say it like that. He didn't make the comment in the context of being surprised that Perry would let Celeste do something because Perry is controlling. He made the comment in the context of he, Ed, not wanting to let Maddy go on this trip, and being surprised that her friend's husband would feel differently.

So he was basically saying, "I'm definitely not okay with this, but you're telling me Perry is? I don't think this was ever meant to be anything but a one-off mini-series adaptation of the book. It doesn't really lend itself to being a continuing series, and I don't think that's what they wanted to do.

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I first saw her when she was a teen in this movie with George Clooney, called The Descendants, she played his daughter. I think the movie won an Oscar for best screenplay. Her voice is always the same for the most part. But her voice is working for me in this role, I'm good on the way she's playing Jane. I like the way she comes off, including her mannerisms and speaking voice, juxtaposed to the other women in this community.

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I think Madeline's ex can't remember his name has shown a strong undercurrent of violence, and though it's directed primarily at Maddy, a general disregard for women. It felt, to me, exactly the way it was the one time I had an accident and totaled the car. There was this period of stillness before I recovered sufficiently from the shock to take stock of my surroundings I wasn't hurt - thank goodness.

So I found it particularly effective. As for Shailene, I've seen her in both The Descendants and Divergent, and she didn't do much for me in either of those movies. She seemed pretty much the same, as I recall, as she is here.


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A little snarkier in The Descendants, maybe. It works for some roles. Not all actors are particularly versatile. Unfortunately, she's up against some big guns in the acting department. Kids pick up on far more than adults realize. I prefer stories to make sense, even if that means I don't get my mind blown.

But there's so much to come together still, I think they can surprise us without having an out of left field rapist or murder victim. The shock will be in the how , rather than the what. I agree. I did read that they're trying to get the rights to some of Liane's other books so if HBO likes what this miniseries is doing, then I could see them do another mini-series with a different story.

Given the number of people on this program who normally do films and are therefore unlikely to want to commit to doing a TV show pretty much all of the moms , I can't imagine that they'd be able to make another season of this show, even if the producers wanted to—at least not without recasting the major roles or revamping the show entirely so that it's no longer about them.

I suppose they could try what True Detective did and have a second series in a completely different setting, but given how that worked out for True Detective , I can't see them rushing to do that. No, I think they'll keep this as a stand-alone series and hope to make money off of it over time: DVD sales, people finding it on HBO's streaming service, and re-airing it every now and again.

Yes I agree with you here. We've seen that every character and every relationship has some degree of turmoil but if it turns out that someone other than Perry is killed or was the killer the narrative will feel compromised. Rachel and her coterie of contributors cover the full range of the male-dom's brand of sensual sadism, from spanking and bondage to public sex and power exchange. A legendary tattoo master and notorious creator of trendsetting underground art, Jonathan Shaw has created a masterpiece with this powerful story that captures the destructive addiction of love, sex and drugs, embodied in two people whose irresistible passions threaten to destroy them.

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One thing about this place, was tight security. You had to be buzzed in and would have to present yourself in a bullet proof hallway. This was necessary, otherwise, no one would come there, They needed to feel safe. Like we have heard, a high percentage of women are murdered when they try to leave the abuser.


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  • The organization I trained at, would help women and men with counseling, but also making an escape plan and how to implement it. It is complicated to get out and needs a coordinated effort on many fronts we also had safe houses to put up a person and children while they hid from the abuser. Isn't it a little too obvious for Perry to be the rapist? That's no surprise. No HBO finale twist. So this is the tricky part about this mystery. Heck, it's the tricky part about any "who done it? The pro of it being Perry including showing us that his violent temper aligns with Jane's experience with her rapist.

    Therefore, the show has built a solid foundation to make this reveal believable. The con is that because it is supported by his behavior, many of us have guessed it and it won't feel like a surprise. Also, it'd be a coincidence. The pro of it being another one of the husband is that it'd be a shocking twist sure to make our jaws drop. The con would be that the show hasn't really hinted that any of these guys share that same undercurrent of violence.

    It'd be a twist that might feel cheap because of that. And it'd still be a huge coincidence. The pro of it being none of these guys is that it'd feel more realistic that Jane's rapist isn't affiliated with any of the other women. The con is that there isn't some big reveal associated with it. Even if we've guessed it with Perry and he's not a surprise, there would still be some emotional fallout to be mined from Celeste, Madeline But as for the profile, a lot of these flashes have been flashbacks mixed with fantasies.

    And didn't she have this "flashback" after she had seen the picture in the computer? That's why I think it was telling when she sniffed this guy.

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    She knows she's not sure what he looks like but she realized she vividly remembers his smell. In fact, in this episode, we also had Chloe coming in on Madeline and Ed and their attempt at kitchen sex. They pretended like nothing was going on but as Chloe left, she told them to get back to whatever they were pretending they weren't doing.

    I wonder if this is the case too. It might also explain why she doesn't know who is doing it. Maybe she can't tell the twins apart. Or they're both doing it and she's afraid of being ganged up on. I understand your frustration but it doesn't bother me so much since I do feel like I see this on tv pretty regularly. At least here they bothered picking an actor who roughly resembles the real perp, if it's Perry.

    They don't always. But who knows. But I think it'd would've worked better as a movie if there are not going to be twists. Seven hours is a long commitment for a little character study of three moms. I'm guessing you could read the book twice in that time. Actually, five eps in out of 7? His identity was presented as unclear because Jane was unclear who he was. I found the many flashbacks quite distracting this episode for some reason.

    The one where Reese went down the cliff to look for who-knows-what and she turned around and there were clown puppets, I think I screamed and woke the dog. The volume of the music in this show needs to be dialed back. Like others, I am getting sick of all the running. I've never seen Shailene in anything Can't tell if it's the character or her. She seems to speak in both an Australian and American accent, so I'm not sure what the coach is suggesting. I get what you're saying, but Ed didn't say it like that. He didn't make the comment in the context of being surprised that Perry would let Celeste do something because Perry is controlling.

    He made the comment in the context of he, Ed, not wanting to let Maddy go on this trip, and being surprised that her friend's husband would feel differently. So he was basically saying, "I'm definitely not okay with this, but you're telling me Perry is? I don't think this was ever meant to be anything but a one-off mini-series adaptation of the book. It doesn't really lend itself to being a continuing series, and I don't think that's what they wanted to do. I first saw her when she was a teen in this movie with George Clooney, called The Descendants, she played his daughter. I think the movie won an Oscar for best screenplay.

    Her voice is always the same for the most part. But her voice is working for me in this role, I'm good on the way she's playing Jane. I like the way she comes off, including her mannerisms and speaking voice, juxtaposed to the other women in this community. I think Madeline's ex can't remember his name has shown a strong undercurrent of violence, and though it's directed primarily at Maddy, a general disregard for women. It felt, to me, exactly the way it was the one time I had an accident and totaled the car. There was this period of stillness before I recovered sufficiently from the shock to take stock of my surroundings I wasn't hurt - thank goodness.

    So I found it particularly effective. As for Shailene, I've seen her in both The Descendants and Divergent, and she didn't do much for me in either of those movies. She seemed pretty much the same, as I recall, as she is here. A little snarkier in The Descendants, maybe. It works for some roles. Not all actors are particularly versatile. Unfortunately, she's up against some big guns in the acting department. Kids pick up on far more than adults realize. I prefer stories to make sense, even if that means I don't get my mind blown. But there's so much to come together still, I think they can surprise us without having an out of left field rapist or murder victim.

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    The shock will be in the how , rather than the what. I agree. I did read that they're trying to get the rights to some of Liane's other books so if HBO likes what this miniseries is doing, then I could see them do another mini-series with a different story. Given the number of people on this program who normally do films and are therefore unlikely to want to commit to doing a TV show pretty much all of the moms , I can't imagine that they'd be able to make another season of this show, even if the producers wanted to—at least not without recasting the major roles or revamping the show entirely so that it's no longer about them.

    I suppose they could try what True Detective did and have a second series in a completely different setting, but given how that worked out for True Detective , I can't see them rushing to do that. No, I think they'll keep this as a stand-alone series and hope to make money off of it over time: DVD sales, people finding it on HBO's streaming service, and re-airing it every now and again. Yes I agree with you here. We've seen that every character and every relationship has some degree of turmoil but if it turns out that someone other than Perry is killed or was the killer the narrative will feel compromised.

    The show has done a good job of casting suspicion on basically all the main characters but only Perry truly fits the larger narrative. And I believe that one or both of the twins is definitely mirroring the parent's relationship with Amabella. Celeste protects Perry yet he likely raped Jane and possibly others. He does have grandparents though, even if Jane is estranged from them? I can totally relate to poor Amabella staying quiet.

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    She's obviously a sensitive child, which Renata and Gordon don't know how to deal with. Assuming Ziggy is innocent, she probably feels guilty for getting him into trouble, so she's decided not to say anything from now on. As far as Jane's finances, she seems to be living very modestly. She and Ziggy live in what must be a one-bedroom rented bungalow, since she sleeps on the pull-out sofa in the living room.

    She drives an old Prius and all her clothes look like they're from Old Navy. If anything, I find Maddie's and Ed's living situation a lot less plausible. He's working as a freelance web designer, and she must be making a pittance working part-time for the community theatre. I have a friend who is trying to get up the nerve to get out of a loveless marriage, no abuse or anything, just realization her husband has no desire to be a father to her daughter , or a husband.

    She blames herself for him being a drunk. Actually, tell your friend that it IS abuse -- ignoring your wife and child to get drunk is emotional abuse and neglect. I think it would be interesting if they did this as an anthology series with taking this same cast and having them do another adaptation of Liane's other books.

    I wouldn't mind seeing this same cast tackle The Husband's Secret. On one hand I don't blame Renata for acting the way she did this episode, but on the other it seemed more about I did like that quick scene of Nathan and Bonnie on the couch. Yeah, that's some disturbing stuff going on in that household and no way are those boys unaware, that's what Celeste would like to think. Nope, they see it and they know, and they are acting it out with Amabella; just two chips off the old block. I think the therapist needs an Emmy. And Kelly's writing in those scenes is wonderful.

    There are no camera tricks. Just two women dancing around the truth. Watching the therapist try to break through to her, to find a way that will make sense to Celeste is wonderful. I dig some of the music and camera work. It does add a tension to the show the book lacked. But I hate almost all the music and I haven't recognized one song. It is all ugly and discordant. In addition to the aforementioned shows particularly The Wire, which was really good , Shameless is a Showtime drama about working class people and they've managed to wring seven going on eight seasons of drama about a family that isn't anywhere near rich.

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